Rocksmith Plus or Minus?

Hello Rocksmith fans!

Wow, what a day it was yesterday. We all tuned into #UbisoftForward and before you knew it the hosts were comparing fighting aliens to learning guitar. For the first time since 2013, there was an actual new Rocksmith title announced at E3.

Here are some main takeaways from the reveal:

You can use your Phone (iOS and Android) as a microphone 😲 Also, in addition to this there is also interface and ASIO support in the beta test, so the hardline requirement for the RealTone Cable is slowly being phased out for those that see $25 USD as a barrier

There’s a lot of songs (including DLC from Rocksmith 2014)

Arthur Von Nagel is Lead Producer, and yes Rocksmith+ is subscription based and is coming this year

Rocksmith+ will have thousands of songs at launch which will all have chord charts that are generated with a proprietary AI recognition software (It’s not Chordify).

“and we’ll still have the note-for-note authentic arrangements for players that wanna play songs exactly how the artists originally played them- Each week we’ll release a steady stream of new authentic arrangements to keep growing that portion of the library”

Rocksmith Workshop will allow the community to create and add their own arrangements for songs licensed for the Rocksmith+ service.

A far more diverse library, including #MOARMETAL

“-music from all over the world from big stars to indie darlings- it’s the most diverse song library ever seen in music learning software”

Enhanced recommendation systems focusing on learning for all skill levels and more ways to track your progress

Skill Profiles

No problem bro


Alright, so now we are onto the information dump, first of all let’s get this out of the way…

Notice something missing? I don’t know how many people here use MacOS but it seems like you’d better make that BootCamp partition soon… Unless Rocksmith+ becomes iOS Rocksmith somewhere down the line…

The SUBSCRIPTION, IT’S A SUBSCRIPTION BOOOO!!!

Yes, Rocksmith+ is a subscription, we’ve all had a day to come to terms with it so let’s see how much it costs.

Users can take advantage of an entire suite of new and improved practice tools including Riff Repeater, wherein they can directly practice specific riffs in their favorite songs; and Adaptive Difficulty, wherein Rocksmith+ dynamically adjusts to a guitar player’s skill level while they play. These tools are designed to give guitar players control over their learning journey. Rocksmith+ will be available for $14.99 for a 1-month subscription, $39.99 for a 3-month subscription, and $99.99 for a 12-month subscription.

So, that is a bit pricey. We’ve seen a few Games as a Service music games before like things that don’t exist anymore like Guitar Hero TV and Twitch Sings. Will Rocksmith+ fair better than them? I’m inclined to think personally it will, of course a majority of people will not pay the fee simply because they think it will fail which becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

cloudburn on r/rocksmith had an interesting take while comparing Rocksmith+ to other subscription music education services:

Of course, a big question right now is regional pricing as $100 USD/year is quite a bit different in a country like Brazil for instance…

Alright, I think we can move on from the subscription pricing? Right? No… Ok the comments are down there, enjoy.

THE SONGS

What songs are in the game? Is there DragonForce? What about Metallica?

LEARN TO PLAY FROM A VAST AND EVER-EXPANDING LIBRARY OF SONGS ACROSS EVERY GENRE

Play with a vast and ever-expanding library of songs across genres from around the world. Rocksmith+ not only features rock genres spanning from classic to indie to alternative, it also includes hip hop, pop, metal, country, Latin, R&B and more, so there’s something for everyone. Rocksmith+ will start with thousands of songs and grow to millions more in the future. At launch, Rocksmith+ will have a variety of authentic arrangements that represent songs the way the artists originally played them, and all of the songs in the library will be playable with chord charts for players to hum and strum to.

@OsagaTheGreat was nice enough to keep track of all the songs revealed in the trailer and also on @xChainbrain’s livestream yesterday…

Let’s list them out! (Songs in italic are already available for play in Rocksmith 2014)

** = Bass Only

  1. Adam and the Ants – Beat My Guest
  2. Adam and the Ants – Physical (You’re So)
  3. Adam Ant – Christian D’or
  4. Aerosmith – Walkin’ the Dog
  5. Air Supply – All Out of Love
  6. Air Supply – Even the Nights Are Better
  7. Alabama – Song of the South
  8. Alan Jackson – Gone Country
  9. Alan Jackson – It Must Be Love
  10. The Alan Parsons Project – Sirius
  11. Alexandra Stan – Mr. Saxobeat
  12. Alison Moyet – Invisible
  13. Angie Stone – What U Dyin’ For
  14. Ana Carolina – Tô Saindo
  15. Andy Griggs – Tonight I Wanna Be Your Man
  16. Annie Lennox – Walking on Broken Glass
  17. Annie Lennox – Why
  18. Autograph – Turn Up the Radio
  19. Axwell – Center of the Universe
  20. Backstreet Boys – I’ll Never Break Your Heart
  21. Barry Manilow – Can’t Smile Without You
  22. Bay City Rollers – Elevator
  23. Bill Monroe and His Bluegrass Boys – Orange Blossom Special
  24. Bill Withers – Ain’t No Sunshine
  25. Bill Withers – Lean on Me
  26. Bill Withers – Use Me
  27. Billy Martin – Strategy and Spying
  28. Boston – Don’t Look Back**
  29. Boston – Foreplay / Long Time
  30. Boston – Hitch a Ride
  31. Boston – More Than a Feeling**
  32. Boston – The Star-Spangled Banner / 4th of July Reprise**
  33. Bowling for Soup – I Ran (So Far Away)
  34. Bowling for Soup – Summer of ‘69
  35. Boy Meets Girl – Waiting for a Star to Fall
  36. Brandi Carlile – The Story
  37. Brandi Carlile – That Wasn’t Me
  38. Brian Tyler – Assassin’s Creed IV Black Flag Main Theme
  39. Britney Spears – Anticipating
  40. Britney Spears – From the Bottom of My Broken Heart
  41. Britney Spears – One Kiss from You
  42. Caifanes – Perdí Mi Ojo de Venado
  43. Cage the Elephant – Whole Wide World
  44. Cake – I Will Survive
  45. The Charlie Daniels Band – The Devil Went Down to Georgia
  46. Craig David – All We Needed
  47. Craig David – Heartline
  48. Crash Test Dummies – God Shuffled His Feet
  49. Crash Test Dummies – Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm
  50. Cyndi Lauper – The Goonies ‘R’ Good Enough
  51. D’Angelo and The Vanguard – Back to the Future (Part I)
  52. D’Angelo and The Vanguard – Back to the Future (Part II)
  53. D’Angelo and The Vanguard – Betray My Heart
  54. D’Angelo and The Vanguard – Prayer
  55. Daughtry – Breakdown
  56. Daughtry – Maybe We’re Already Gone
  57. Daughtry – Rescue Me
  58. Daughtry – September
  59. Daughtry – You Don’t Belong
  60. Dave Gahan – Bottle Living
  61. Dave Gahan – Dirty Sticky Floors
  62. Dave Gahan – Hold On
  63. Dave Gahan – I Need You
  64. Deep Purple – Anya
  65. Deep Purple – The Battle Rages On
  66. Deep Purple – Lick It Up
  67. Dilsinho – Cansei de Farra
  68. Dolly Parton – Islands in the Stream
  69. DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince – The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
  70. Eddie Money – Endless Nights
  71. Edvard Grieg (The Notetrackers) – In the Hall of the Mountain King
  72. Elle King – American Girl
  73. Elvis Presley – (Now and Then There’s) A Fool Such As I
  74. Elvis Presley – Loving Arms**
  75. Elvis Presley – The Wonder of You
  76. Eurythmics – Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)
  77. Evelyn “Champagne” King – Love Come Down**
  78. Example – Kickstarts
  79. Fishbone – Question of Life
  80. A Flock of Seagulls – I Ran (So Far Away)
  81. Foray – Fausse joie**
  82. Foray – Il ne m’est rien arrivé
  83. Françoise Hardy – Ça a raté**
  84. Françoise Hardy – Le temps de l’amour (Fox Medium)
  85. Françoise Hardy – Tu n’as qu’un mot à dire
  86. Franz Ferdinand – No You Girls
  87. Franz Ferdinand – Take Me Out
  88. Franz Ferdinand – Ulysses
  89. Frédéric Chopin (The Notetrackers) – Funeral March
  90. Fuel – Hemorrhage (In My Hands)
  91. Fuel – Jesus or a Gun
  92. Fuel – Untitled
  93. Gene Autry – Have I Told You Lately That I Love You
  94. George Duke – Reach Out
  95. Gladys Knight & The Pips – Midnight Train to Georgia**
  96. Goldfinger – Superman
  97. Heart – Barracuda
  98. Heart – Kick It Out
  99. Heart – Little Queen
  100. The Hollies – Carrie-Anne
  101. Indigo Girls – Shame on You
  102. Indigo Girls – Tried to Be True
  103. Isabelle Boulay – L’amour d’un homme
  104. Jackie Evancho – Memories
  105. Jacques Dutronc – Fais pas ci, fait pas ça
  106. Jacques Dutronc – Hippie Hippie Hourrah
  107. Jacques Offenbach (The Notetrackers) – The Can-Can
  108. Jason Michael Carroll – Alyssa Lies
  109. Jaguares – La Célula Que Explota
  110. Jaguares – Te Lo Pido por Favor
  111. Jakob Karlberg – Fan va bra
  112. Jeff Beck – Nadia
  113. Jefferson Airplane – Somebody to Love
  114. Jefferson Airplane – Today
  115. Jefferson Airplane – White Rabbit
  116. Jesper Kyd – Ezio’s Family
  117. Joan Manuel Serrat – Tu Nombre Me Sabe a Yerba**
  118. Joe – All the Things (Your Man Won’t Do)
  119. Joe Cocker – You Are So Beautiful
  120. Johann Sebastian Bach (The Notetrackers) – “Little”, Fugue in G minor
  121. Johnny Cash – Daddy Sang Bass
  122. Johnny Cash – Guess Things Happen That Way
  123. Johnny Hallyday – Bien trop timide
  124. Johnny Hallyday – Laisse les filles
  125. Johnny Hallyday – Pourquoi cet amour
  126. Johnny Horton – Honky-Tonk Man
  127. Johnny Horton – The Mansion You Stole
  128. Johnny Horton – Sink the Bismark
  129. Johnny Horton – When It’s Springtime In Alaska (It’s Forty Below)
  130. Johnny Winter – Be Careful with a Fool
  131. Johnny Winter – Mean Mistreater
  132. Johnny Winter – Still Alive and Well
  133. José Feliciano – California Dreamin’
  134. José Feliciano – Sunny
  135. Juan Gabriel – Caray
  136. Keith Whitley – Don’t Close Your Eyes
  137. Kris Kristopherson – For the Good Times
  138. La Fouine – D’où l’on vient
  139. La Fouine – Du ferme
  140. La Fouine – Essaie encore
  141. La Fouine – Les vents favorables
  142. La Fouine – Mes repères
  143. Leonard Cohen – Be for Real
  144. Lewis Del Mar – Live That Long
  145. Lisa Stansfield – All Around the World
  146. Loggins & Messina – House at Pooh Corner
  147. Ludwig van Beethoven (The Notetrackers) – Moonlight Sonata
  148. Ludwig van Beethoven (The Notetrackers) – Ode to Joy
  149. Luke – Comme un homme
  150. Luke – Hasta Siempre
  151. Luke – Le reste du monde
  152. Luke – Pense à moi
  153. Luke – Soledade
  154. Luther Vandross – If Only for One Night
  155. Lynyrd Skynyrd – Sweet Home Alabama (Endangered Species version)
  156. Madeon – No Fear No More
  157. The Manhattans – Shining Star
  158. Marc Anthony – Abrázame Muy Fuerte
  159. Maria Bethânia – Gostosa Demais
  160. Miguel – a beautiful exit
  161. Miguel – City of Angels**
  162. Miguel – Hollywood Dreams
  163. Miguel – Sure Thing
  164. Miguel – waves
  165. Mountain – Mississippi Queen**
  166. Mudvayne – Dig
  167. Mudvayne – Forget to Remember
  168. Myriam Abel – Louis
  169. The Notetrackers – Amazing Grace
  170. The Notetrackers – Brennan Street Blues
  171. The Notetrackers – Frère Jacques
  172. *NSYNC – No Strings Attached
  173. *NSYNC – Tearin’ Up My Heart
  174. One Direction – More Than This
  175. Opeth – Ending Credits
  176. Pam Tillis – Maybe It Was Memphis
  177. Paul Revere & The Raiders – Good Thing
  178. Papooz – Brother
  179. Peter Tosh – African
  180. Peter Tosh – Equal Rights
  181. The Pointer Sisters – Neutron Dance
  182. Power Glove – Blood Dragon Theme
  183. Pyotr Ilyich Tchikovsky (The Notetrackers) – Notecracker Medley
  184. Reel Big Fish – Beer
  185. Reel Big Fish – Sell Out
  186. Richard Wagner (The Notetrackers) – Flight of the Valkyries
  187. Rick Astley – She Wants to Dance with Me
  188. Rick Derringer – Rock and Roll, Hoochie Koo
  189. Rick Springfield – Don’t Talk to Strangers
  190. Roachford – Cuddly Toy (Feel for Me)
  191. Robbie Williams – Mixed Signals
  192. Robyn – Show Me Love
  193. Romeo Santos – Héroe Favorito
  194. Run-DMC – Christmas In Hollis
  195. Run-DMC – It’s Tricky
  196. Run-DMC – King of Rock
  197. Run-DMC – Rock Box
  198. Santana – Evil Ways
  199. Santana – Samba Pa Ti
  200. Santana – Soul Sacrifice
  201. Scott McKenzie – San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your Hair)
  202. The Shins – Name for You
  203. Stanley Clarke – Sweet Baby
  204. The Stone Roses – She Bangs the Drums
  205. Sweet – The Ballroom Blitz**
  206. T-Pain – I’m Sprung
  207. Thompson Twins – Hold Me Now
  208. Tim McGraw – Humble and Kind
  209. Toto – Live for Today
  210. A Tribe Called Quest – After Hours
  211. A Tribe Called Quest – Buggin’ Out
  212. A Tribe Called Quest – Excursions
  213. Ubisoft – Rocksmith 2012 Theme**
  214. Van Morrison – Brown Eyed Girl
  215. Waylon Jennings – Are You Sure Hank Done It This Way
  216. “Weird Al” Yankovic – The Saga Begins
  217. Whitney Houston – I Wanna Dance with Somebody (Who Loves Me)
  218. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (The Notetrackers) – Rondo Alla Turca
  219. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (The Notetrackers) – Symphony No. 40
  220. The Youngbloods – Get Together

Updated 6/23/2021

There’s some definite variety there, and that’s just the initial offering. Also who would have figured an Opeth song would be there off the flop 😲

Oh, hello Mikael Akerfeldt 😆

 

ADD YOUR OWN USER-GENERATED ARRANGEMENTS FOR ANY LICENSED SONG

Rocksmith+ introduces Rocksmith Workshop, a new user-generated content system that allows anyone to transcribe and add arrangements from a list of pre-licensed songs to the library. Now the community has more control over adding the arrangements they want, when they want. Rocksmith Workshop will let users create all aspects of a song arrangement, from the transcription to the tones. Community arrangements are peer-reviewed for quality and available to all users.

Seems like the plan is to have the large Custom Song community take their talents to licensed content with specific tools catered towards Rocksmith instead of separate programs to put out a quality chart (EOF, GoPlayAlong, UltraStarCreator, Reaper… You get the picture). It remains to be seen if the thousands of licensed songs in Rocksmith+ will contain the Gojiras and Ghosts to motivate the hundreds of charters on CustomsForge to come over to the subscription based service.

I am being a broken record, but Opeth being licensed seems like a good sign…

A PROVEN METHOD TO LEARN GUITAR

Rocksmith+ is based on the proven Rocksmith method, which features a unique visual interface, real-time feedback, and a focus on playing songs. 95% of Rocksmith users improved their guitar skills through this method and Rocksmith+ builds on that foundation.** The classic Rocksmith noteway returns alongside a new Rocksmith Tablature option for long-time guitarists. Core features like Riff Repeater, Adaptive Difficulty and Video Lessons have been improved to be more efficient and effective. New tools like MIDI Playback, Playlists, and Chord Explorer offer additional ways to learn, and the subscription will also include free updates for both new and expanded practice tools. No matter your skill level, Rocksmith+ can help you learn guitar or bass

MIDI Playback is actually a really big deal, this is going to help immensely when you need to know what the part you are playing sounds like, this along with TAB Mode and Note By Note is going to make learning complex solos/riffs even easier!

8:20 in

 


Rocksmith+ as a beta test right now is missing a lot

  • No Multiplayer
  • No Guitarcade
  • No Streamer specific options
  • No Tone Designer
  • No Session Mode
  • No Emulated Bass (Some people use it ok?)

What they have set ahead of them is a fairly ambitious journey, will they succeed? The musical landscape has changed a lot since 2013 and perhaps the Rocksmith+ team is right to take this gamble on the rise of Games as a Service and subscription based music formats. The licensing is definitely going to be easier, but will this game attract a new audience or simply segment their fanbase as Rocksmith 2014 approaches it’s 8 year anniversary.

Be sure to sign up for the PC Beta and say hi to Rocksmith Mom for me!

For further information please visit the Rocksmith+ FAQ

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David H
David H
June 14, 2021 9:28 pm

This sucks so much.

What particularly galls is the comment made thanking the fans who supported Rocksmith for the past ten years, because its us, who having paid for stack of DLC since RS1, and persuaded friends and family to get a guitar and by RS, are most shafted by this iteration. We already have a massive library of songs which we invested in. So what does RS+ offer us?
Tabs. That’s it.
Any other new stuff? Well, no. Nothing that we asked for. Added instruments? No. Multiplayer over internet? Nope. Stems to hide the guitar layer? No. How about bringing back venue mode? Nah.

In fact, not only is there nothing really new, the stuff you get in RS2014 has been downgraded. There doesn”t appear to be session mode or emulated bass now. Multiplayer? Does that still exist?

And as for the massive library, as far as I can tell, it is now mostly AI chord stuff, sounds like they purchased the Riffstation tech. They say there is still note-for-note transcriptions but are unclear about how many songs that will apply to. Of course the Community can do transcriptions for them in the RS Workshop! Very astute, Ubi. Get the community to do the work and charge them for the privilege.

I am not opposed to subscriptions per se. I don’t like them but if I am getting good value, I’ll bite the bullet. I have a yearly JamPlay sub which cost me $100AUD in a sale. And its good value with lots of new courses always being released. But RS+ wants $25AUD a month which is a joke considering there is so nothing extra to what we already had.

Any goodwill I had for the RS brand has totally gone down the toilet.

Jason
Jason
June 19, 2021 2:33 pm
Reply to  David H

Oh man, 25 a month in Australia?? Sounds like they still need to work out regional pricing. In the U.S. they annouced it’s only $8 a month when paid annually, which in the U.S. is not very much.

David H
David H
June 20, 2021 12:32 am
Reply to  Jason

Yeah I read that somewhere. And sounds about right. $15US is approx $20AUD. Plus we seem to get hit with the Áustralia Tax. (Americans get guitars at so much cheaper prices than we get them).

If you compare it to other kinds of streaming services, its way off the mark. If they do a yearly deal like JamPlay I could be tempted but the pricing is key here. Especially considering the features lost from RS2014; it is a very bare-bones offering they expect people to pay for here.

The Workshop thing would be a winner but given it is only for their licensed songs, that’s disappointing. The kind of songs I would like to do transcriptions for are the obscure tracks they’ll never licence.

thurston howell
thurston howell
July 4, 2021 12:37 pm
Reply to  David H

 Of course the Community can do transcriptions for them in the RS Workshop! Very astute, Ubi. Get the community to do the work and charge them for the privilege.

LOLOL -- funny but TRUE…..YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT…
We paid top dollar for 10 years of DLC.

There is nothing but new skins…..if there is something coming they would have said it by now……

No cap on the ‘service’. No promise the songs and your progress will be saved. (see all the songs that didn’t port to 2014)

Ditch the bitcoin OK ubisoft dude……him alone makes me not want to buy it….most annoying guy EVER…..he must be a joke and i am missing it

Dennis Brinley
Dennis Brinley
June 21, 2021 1:22 am

I figured the subscription based version was coming. Not for me. I found a teacher when new DLC stopped and making much more progress than I ever did with the game. Not knocking the game, but so much it can’t teach like an in-person instructor. Wouldn’t do a subscription service anyway.

Scott
Scott
July 9, 2021 8:40 pm

The subscription makes this a hard no to me. I don’t have any interest in paying in advance or regularly for random content. The biggest problem is that if it’s subscription based, it’s always online and ubisoft is probably the worst at making online games that work reliably. Even in RS 2014 they were a source of frustration when I would inevitably and regularly have to go into offline mode because ubisoft broke something again. Very disappointing, I was hoping they’d just keep everything that worked and try to incorporate vocals, drums or more people playing.

Moo
Moo
June 23, 2021 1:42 pm

It’s not about cost it’s about getting to keep the items without re paying. Why can’t they freaking add buyables as well . I won’t subscribe but I’ll pay my way as I go even if it. Cost ten times more in the long run I really don’t give a crud

Mike
Mike
June 14, 2021 12:11 pm

The subscription is crap. Not for the self fulfilling prophecy angle mentioned above though. Many of these songs will be ones I’ve already purchased, yet Ubisoft expects me to pay again in subscription form?

Ubisoft has gotten greedy.

Mike
Mike
June 14, 2021 1:30 pm
Reply to  Elliott

For now. Sure I can play those songs. Once they ditch the real tone cable though (if they do)?

You’re also assuming they’ll continually add enough new content to preserve the “value” of their subscription. That is way too dependent on musical taste to be remotely guaranteed.

Dan Amrich
Dan Amrich
June 16, 2021 1:05 pm
Reply to  Mike

You are right that we’re not able to predict musical taste. That’s why the goal is to cater to all of them.

MarleySantana
MarleySantana
July 9, 2021 7:52 pm
Reply to  Dan Amrich

This is the mindset that I wish more folks in this room understood. There are so many styles that have hardly seen the light of day regarding Rocksmith. It is so refreshing to see you all stretching out beyond the safe choices of just more metal and classic rock. (Nice touch with the Weird Al too)

thurston howell
thurston howell
July 4, 2021 12:45 pm
Reply to  Elliott

they should consider a break for users that have supported the game for 10 years. they won’t.

Roman
June 14, 2021 3:39 am

To me rs2014 is more of a “party game” now, to play some pop-punk shit with my buddy on guitar or bass. I had high hopes about piano being added, and for midi drum e-kits support, instead we got what most of us predicted, unfortunately.

The price comparison table against yousician is fine and all, but here’s more comparisons:

  • yousician has charts and progression paths (aka “beatable” structured lessons) for guitar, bass, ukulele, piano and vocals now
  • yousician runs on ios, android, pc and mac
  • one subscription lets you to use on EVERY platform, progress synced via cloud
  • had the microphone mode | any audio interface | piano via midi for ages
  • yousician takes 3-5 seconds to start on my ipad. No lengthy title screens, no “ubisoft services are down, cancel, ok, cancel, oh shi…”
  • had the “custom user charts” that were removed, due to users charting commercial songs (ohnonono can’t have that)
  • there are traditional / classic pieces arrangements they could have added (since music is public domain). I’m a metalhead, but my girlfriend can’t find anything to play in all my rs songs, yet somehow yousician had some stuff she practiced over and over. I play some fingerstyle latin stuff now too.
  • there’s a “free endless trial” with 10min of practice ingame time a day, having access for all non-commercial music to try it as much as you like

And SOMEHOW all of these were achieved by a small indy team in Finland. Maybe a year after release ubisoft will address some of these (very unlikely) , regional prices will be introduced and such, perhaps even cloud progress and platform agnostic subscription (very unlikely). But till then I’m sticking to what i have right now

Chris
Chris
June 14, 2021 9:08 am
Reply to  Roman

i wouldn’t pay $5 a month for yousician it looks terrible and feels like a simple phone game app instead of a full software package. Also it was a clear attempt to copy rocksmith they even sued them but case was thrown out.

Roman
June 14, 2021 11:51 am
Reply to  Chris

I see your point, it ain’t a AAA game indeed.
I’ve also had really poor experience with pianoo, skoove and piano marvel

But keeping production budgets and such in mind: yousician has riff repeater, licensed songs and a clear progression path to beat.

The reason I’ve subscribed in a first place was the course structure and just how snappy and no-bullshit everything was. I’ll take iPad version portability and cloud saves between devices over 3d venues and particle effects.

Things they lack aside of presentation: dynamic difficulty and gh-like “note highway” instead of sideways tab view -- aren’t a deal breaker for me.

Rs2014+every dlc is 1500+ songs. And cdlc is out there if that’s not enough. All these make rs+ a hard sell for me, imho

Vilikki
Vilikki
June 29, 2021 5:22 am

They’ll get happy subscriptions from the people who dished way more money to DLC on RS2014, so that will be a big loss to them. At the same time they’ll lose pretty much all the casual players, because it would be idiotic to constantly pay for something you use only occasionally. So that’s a whole big portion of users gone. Another big loss there. And then there are the previously general loyal fans who bought the game and few DLCs here and there from a sale like me. Have spend maybe 150-200€ on the game on the whole in 7 years. Have had couple longer breaks here and there but owning the game it didn’t matter, unlike it will with RS+. I imagine that large portion of the people in the same boat as me will not go for the subscription (at least long term, maybe try for month). Just because it is just too damn expensive and quite many (me included) hate the subscription model in general. So while they’ll lose large portion of the general fanbase I guess they’ll make up the losses buy forcing the remainder to pay for full games price twice a year until eternity. So loss here also at the start but if the remaining people keep dishing the money they’ll eventually make profit with these and the whales who’d gladly pay $1000 a year and still be dissing the people who think it’s not ok to ask such prices. We’ll see when the game comes out and reviews roll in. I’m not sure if I will be giving the game try or not yet. Perhaps if the features are somehow so earth shattering that I feel it’s a must try. So far it doesn’t seem so though. Still I’m glad they made RS2014… Read more »

thurston howell
thurston howell
July 4, 2021 12:42 pm
Reply to  Vilikki

what happens to custom forge?

Vilikki
Vilikki
July 6, 2021 10:39 pm

Well if they force the game being even more online than it already was with the shitty (and beyond useless) ubisoft service I’d imagine custom forge will disappear, but that is most likely big part of their plan. Of course customsforge can and should keep making content for rs2014 because ubi abandoned it and most likely most of the players will stay there because of the ONLY subscription approach which annoys most anyone with a working brain. Now they will get all the money from the subscription while the community does the work for them for free note cracking the songs for them. So it’s kind of free slave labor, and they could sack their notecrackers (which btw did amazing job in RS2014 DLC, all the respect to you) because of the free labor.. but that would sound pretty Ubi to me. Of course this is kind of hyperbole but from what I’ve heard so far I can’t imagine this going any other way. The content creators will of course praise the new version to heavens because they will make bank on it on the side, no matter how good or bad it is for the common customer. And it does seem to have few good features, don’t take me wrong on that.. But what was the most important part in earlier RS’s was the excellent quality of notecracking and if they plan to have gazillion of songs, it means it will be automated / fanmade so that means the quality of that will be gone. But it’s still beta so time will tell where they will go. Seems pretty grim at the moment, from the non-fanatic/non-content creator point of view.. but one can still hope. RS2014 was the last bastion of hope for real instrument games so let’s hope… Read more »

nojoke
nojoke
June 17, 2021 1:29 pm

rocksmith really add the french rapper “la fouine” ??? the guy has been found guilty two time for rape on minor….

nojoke
nojoke
June 17, 2021 1:33 pm
Reply to  nojoke

you guys can see his criminal record (in french) here https://twitter.com/booba/status/1300136136740950017

Trevor
Trevor
June 18, 2021 7:02 pm
Reply to  nojoke

they also have the lost prophets who has also been convicted with peadophillia on a baby

Martyn Q
Martyn Q
June 14, 2021 12:17 pm

No Mac version will be a sad state of affairs.

Isaque
Isaque
July 6, 2021 12:17 pm

I’ve liked the new functions, the learning system sure has improved! But as a Brazilian, I don’t think I will have money to spend on it, 500 bucks aren’t a pretty attractive price.

Zuo
Zuo
June 21, 2021 3:24 pm

Well, for casual players that subscribtion will be a blocker

LongliveRS14
LongliveRS14
June 15, 2021 1:12 pm

I understand and get all the new upgrades and such and the licensing which intern gets all the content for people to use, I get it. However…… Those of us, say 35% maybe more, that can’t afford to shell out $15 a month because we are on a budget are screwed.

Now before everyone starts jumping my bum about, ” well you got Netflix ” well actually I don’t.

People on a budget are unable to participate in adventures like this because of a murid of reasons. $15 bucks to us is food on the table to feed the family or more gas in our vehicles to get to our two jobs so we can feed our families. 

I wonder that at any point did any one from Ubisoft take any of us lower income families into consideration? Well did ya??

Chris
Chris
June 16, 2021 4:52 pm
Reply to  LongliveRS14

Rocksmith is a disposable income purchase. This game will not feed you, provide shelter or cure you of any diseases. In the end if the buyer thinks its too much for their entertainment budget versus satisfaction derived then they will choose not to buy. Ubisoft like any other company is trying to maximize profit for its investors and stakeholders and to deny that is living in a dream.

Lud
Lud
June 15, 2021 12:06 am

I do not like the subscription model. I would be pissed off if I was automatically billed for another Lady Gaga pack.

Mychal Evenson
Mychal Evenson
June 14, 2021 10:33 pm

Add Dig from Mudvayne to the list of tracks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FVmYfQCgeY

Mychal Evenson
Mychal Evenson
June 14, 2021 10:35 pm
Reply to  Mychal Evenson

And It’s Tricky by Run DMC,

dallasdave
dallasdave
June 14, 2021 12:42 pm

you missed a big question.

For existing users is it worth getting the new software and paying $99/yr for years, or keep RS2014 with customs (i know dirty word)?

I’ll wait for example videos and song lists

dallasdave
dallasdave
June 16, 2021 11:26 am
Reply to  Elliott

Rocksmith+ requires an internet connection at all times

Usually not an issue for me, but would suck when my connection goes down, which happens at least once a month….stupid comcast

Drizztrayvaughn
Drizztrayvaughn
June 13, 2021 6:48 pm

I am really excited for this. 100 dollars a year is less than was paying for DLC each year. I can also use some of the features to better my guitar playing. I am still a long way to being even a decent player and see some features as being able to narrow my focus on what I need to practice to improve. I see so many negative comments about the subscription but I say give it a chance it might turn out to be a great bargain as well as a teaching tool.

Caio
Caio
June 24, 2021 11:39 am

I agree, 100US$ a year is less than ten (10) RS2014 full price (11.99US$) music packs, let’s say that each pack have 3 tunes and they cost 10 dollars each, those are 30 songs for 100US$, now for the same ammount of money you will have 1000+ tunes (at launch), I know that none of us will play EVERY song, but let’s say that you play the 15% of all those songs, those are 150 songs, seems like a lot! And you will end up paying 1,5US$ for each of them, wich is less than a single song buying on Steam (2,99US$), the more songs you play, the cheaper you will be paying for each, also they said that they will add more and more songs all the time, so that will low the price of how much you are paying for each song, cause you will have more, paying the same ammount, as I see things here, it’s a great deal!

thurston howell
thurston howell
July 4, 2021 12:38 pm

exactly WHAT features are you referring to that are not in the current game??

Chris
Chris
June 13, 2021 5:55 pm

Take my money just give me some good songs. I think that will determine the success if they are able to at least get a few big names then what else are you going to use Yousician. This is the only worthwhile guitar/bass simulator case closed.

The Adequate Performer
The Adequate Performer
June 15, 2021 3:38 pm
Reply to  Chris

Yeah, if the song list is good I am in. If not, I can wait and keep playing RS14.

Oni
Oni
June 25, 2021 3:47 am

Just out of curiosity, has anyone gotten into the beta test? Anything worth sharing?

thurston howell
thurston howell
July 4, 2021 12:43 pm
Reply to  Oni

no, only the tribe of YouTubers got it….you can see there is nothing new

Ryan
Ryan
June 19, 2021 6:41 am

exactly what I was expecting and going to a subscription service is what I said in the RS forums a few months ago,I love the fresh UI of the game,I’m pretty sure everyone will get a 1 month or 7 day trial when the game is released,I’m hoping we see some new features in the full release,as stated by TRR that the beta is very limited and there won’t be any of the features in the beta yet,I would like to know if the subscription is cross platform? as it’s supposed to be out on pc before consoles,and I’ve got a pc that just about runs RS14 and I’d prefer to play it on xb1 when it comes out,but I’ll play it on pc first,and the big thing on session mode or play a song that was not in RS14 is having an option to turn on a feature so you can see the items your playing eg: A,B,C ect. In session mode they had scales but not showing the notes and root notes ect. To learn the notes on the fretboard is #1 in learning the fretboard I think,and having an option to turn them on in songs or session mode will be amazing and if there’s no such feature on RS+ then unfortunately I won’t be buying a subscription,I know it’s something small but it’s a must feature I think,I’m more than happy to buy a yearly subscription and want to purchase it,but if the learning/theory side of the game is the same as RS14 then it’s not for me,after playing RS14 for years I got bored of just playing songs in the end and even custom songs in the pc got tedious.

Ryan
Ryan
June 19, 2021 6:43 am
Reply to  Ryan

see the “notes” not items lol auto correct 🙄

bassdude
bassdude
June 15, 2021 12:07 pm

How about 5 and 6 string basses ?

thurston howell
thurston howell
July 4, 2021 12:43 pm
Reply to  bassdude

how bout ANY of the features we have been requesting for 10 years?

Somnambulism
Somnambulism
June 14, 2021 3:48 pm

I guess subscription model was to be expected. I hope it’ll make it easier for publisher to obtain licenses from some more reluctant artists (ZZ-Top, anyone?). I’m also hoping game devs would improve external sound cards performance with this edition, since if one blows built-in one than it’s pretty much sure investment in new motherboard.

Naanduin
Naanduin
July 13, 2021 12:06 am
Reply to  Somnambulism

Don’t forget Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd (Roger Waters once said in an interview back in the Guitar Hero days that they wouldn’t release their music for a game until there was one that taught the player how to actually play an instrument….well Roger, we are still waiting!), hell countless others that have been requested so many times.

Zugobog
Zugobog
June 14, 2021 10:11 am

For New people that has never bought DLC -- Awesome

For People like me that own at least 90% of DLC since Rocksmith OG -- It all depends if you have the money to spare for $12 to $15 per month (if pre-paying or monthly) Most of us paid that anyway when buying, on average, 2 packs a month.

Plus, I’ll be able to sample some stuff I wouldn’t have bought, just because it’s already included.

More than Likely, they won’t be able to re-license most of their catalog, but hey, we just switch to this other Rocksmith to play those.

David H
David H
June 20, 2021 12:42 am
Reply to  Zugobog

Sure you spent $12-15 per month already for RS2014. So what’s the difference? Well, the difference is if you had a lean month you can not buy a DLC pack. You have a choice. You dont lose your program because you dont want to buy some DLC this month.

With sub-based games, a lean month means you dont play. If the internet goes down, you dont play. And should Ubisoft ever choose to remove songs you like for others, or even shut it all down for corporate decisions, you have nothing. You pay for limited access and own nothing.

It is a horrible, horrible system that corporations love because they have all the control and the consumer has nothing. The only way people change this dynamic is to say no and not sign up.

Oni
Oni
June 20, 2021 7:41 am
Reply to  David H

Absolutely. The goal here is to make you pay more to give you less. They aren’t even trying to hide it. Disappointing but definitely expected.

yourmathteacher@yourschool.edu
June 20, 2021 6:05 pm
Reply to  David H

You summed it up very clearly. Now that rocksmith 2014 support is over, and dlc have ended, you still have your game, your dlc and even your cdlc. All of that in virual format, so close to nothing. What will you have when rocksmith+ is over? Nothing, not even virtual format.

David H
David H
June 26, 2021 8:17 am

Exactly. Consider this. I bought R2014 seven years ago for about $80AUD. I play it in varying amounts but I always at least a few times a month. So in value it has cost me so far about $1AUD a month, plus any DLC I buy but thats my choice. Ánd I still have it for years to come.

RS+? $20AUD a month. And a subscriber will own nothing no matter how many years they pay.

It saddens me how many people can’t see why it is such a slap in the face for RS fans, and yet I daresay they will sign up, thereby making all the accountants and shareholders happy. And just you watch, before long, Ubisoft won’t sell games anymore, they’ll put everything onto Ubisoft +. It’s only a matter of time.

thurston howell
thurston howell
July 4, 2021 12:48 pm

don’t forget ALL YOUR PROGESS -- POOF Gone!!! also gone anytime a license is not renewed--POOF

thurston howell
thurston howell
July 4, 2021 12:47 pm
Reply to  David H

dont forget the INFLATION aspect…next year it will 20% higher and so forth till you die

Gabivad
Gabivad
June 14, 2021 3:50 am

Really excited for this, I hope I can try out the beta so I can have a better idea if I want to pay 100€ a year (assuming it will be 100€ cause sadly it often is how they convert it)

Pretty cool to finally see some french songs as well ! Pretty old ones but it looks like the huge library will open up for more international diversity as well 🙂

lumpy
lumpy
June 13, 2021 7:22 pm

adding the tab below is just great ! but is it possible to hide it when you don’t need it ?

thurston howell
thurston howell
July 4, 2021 12:49 pm
Reply to  Elliott

Can you make more playlists and name them? or is just un organized mess like current?

elemenohpe
elemenohpe
June 13, 2021 9:04 pm
Reply to  lumpy

Yes.

lumpy
lumpy
June 14, 2021 12:38 am
Reply to  lumpy

cool thank you for answering guys can’t wait to play on it !

Daecat
Daecat
June 13, 2021 6:22 pm

Excellent article and very informative! I see the workshop is only for songs that are already licensed and it seems, so far, that they will not allow adding of custom ones. I think going with a service model could be a smart move, but it’s definitely risky. I’m very excited to try it out!

MarleySantana
MarleySantana
July 4, 2021 11:59 am

Wow, the comments are, expectedly all over the map on this one. I’m glad there’s still room, and time to jump in the dog-pile.  So first off, as part of a group with zero interest in seeing moar metal and little interest at the moment in seeing more classic rock, it is SOOOOOO very refreshing to see Ubisoft and all involved taking us into consideration. This is not intended as a dig on metal or classic rock. There are songs I like and respect in both genres (more so on the classic rock side) but when you take an honest look at the DLC we’ve gotten over the years, the pendulum swung in the same direction far too often.  HUGH applause goes to the Rocksmith team for showing their increased recognition of individuals who have a variety of tastes in music. This, of course, does not go without some required comments. There are some peculiar choices in the selection of song from Peter Tosh. Have a listen to Stepping Razor, or Peter’s version of Johnny B. Goode as more fitting choices. The same can be said for A Tribe Called Quest. Electric Relaxation (with was a hit for them) definitely should have been in there. Also, while on the topic of mo’ hip-hop, one of the most musical production crews in hip-hop is Organized Noise. So with that, go deep in to OutKast’s catalog, Goodie Mob, or you could even include Waterfalls by TLC (also produced by Organize Noise).  So while I definitely applaud what seems to be a change in musical direction, it seems like a few songs were just chosen at random. Love the baby-steps though. Was amazed to see some of my parent’s favorites like George Duke, Gladys Knight, and a huge shock seeing Luther Vandross. (Definitely have some interesting tracks in his catalog). Most of all, WE FINALLY HAVE WEIRD… Read more »

I have a great taste in music lol
I have a great taste in music lol
July 9, 2021 5:47 pm
Reply to  MarleySantana

Just stfu -- nobody cares. You’re making a fool of yourself.

MarleySantana
MarleySantana
July 11, 2021 3:38 pm

Hmm, since you’re making an ill-advised deposit, here’s a worthwhile return on your investment-EDC.

Funk
Funk
June 14, 2021 6:15 am

This is great news, some cool features coming! Especially waiting for the tab and the workshop features, some fast sections are easier to read as tab in my opinion, and the workshop will allow the community to propose different versions for hands positions. I would have loved to put my own songs in the game to play them (not publish them worldwide for everyone if there are legal issues of course) but it’s already great to have this option. Hope to be in the beta, can’t wait to test this out ! 😊