BandFuse: Realta Suspends US Operations

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We’ve all been here before, and it seems all too familiar. A promising new music game falls victim to the perils of being niche and under-performing in the hostile retail world.

We had noticed that BandFuse had been pretty quiet on the social media front. They hadn’t updated their Facebook since February 28th and their twitter activity was close to non-existent. Our suspicions of bad news were confirmed hours ago via their Facebook Page:

There isn’t much else to say… It’s sad to see some hardworking people lose their jobs, and it’s even sadder to see the reactions from the community to the loss of their new favourite music education tool.

We will update with more information regarding future content and patches as it becomes available.

Update 3/14/2014:

Future DLC may still be released.

Update 3/17/2014:

“One parting tip – Its my understanding that Hendrix’s “Foxey Lady (Live) is suppose to come out from being a “hidden” track and only available by code at the end of this month. Check the store and grab it, its an awesome version of the song!
Until we meet again…”

Post by Jeff Marshall.

Update 3/19/2014:

Update: June 16th, 2014

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Pbart

For education: myself, my son, my autistic daughter are learning to play using bandfuse and are lured by the variety of musicians and videos. We get a lot of replay value and are ready to pay for more DLC. My boy Loves Rush, and my daughter Loves Heart. We love how this game brings us together and it draws us in knowing the skill helps us learn music reading. C’mon back to life why don’t ya!?

chris
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chris

At least we know what happened so mystery is over no take over by rockband or rocksmith what a shocker. Someone should buy the software it has real potential with good execution because rocksmith is not likely getting any better for sound, ability to hear yourself and recording option

reaperforelife
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reaperforelife

That is an interesting update but they just close shop? They don’t fight for their money? Shouldn’t they have gone down with a flashing announcement about the fact they were not getting their money?

charlie99
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charlie99

Just got bandfuse a few weeks ago from u.s. im from england. I got it for about thirty quid and believe it to be money well spent even if no more dlc comes out. I also use both rocksmiths. Anything that keeps me playin has got to be good. Rocksmith has alter bridge and a satriani song so will always be my favourite.

uwotm8
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uwotm8

Great job, mate.

José Bellanger
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José Bellanger

Too bad !!!

Jayson Kuti
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Jayson Kuti

how sad, I was really looking forward to another “already available on Rock Smith” song pack.

chris
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chris

They took down the forums today on the site I wonder how long dlc will be available at this point?

SebastionSin
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SebastionSin

I am sad to hear about this honestly.

RS2014 is superior in most ways to me. But I purchased both games and still put a bit of time in BF for what it did have. The differences in the two games allowed me to mix it up a bit when things started to get stale.

It is a shame that will will probably never get any more content for BF. I would even wish that maybe it could be opened up somehow to allow players to add songs to it.

Ian
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Well, I was waiting patiently for Bandfuse to come out in the UK. Rocksmith is great, but we still have no really ‘enjoyable’ game that teaches TAB -- yes there’s Guitar Bots (but its’ not great) and there’s Rock Prodogy (which had the most appalling lag on my PC and no intuitive way of teaching finger positions.

Unless Rocksmith tutored players go out of their way to learn TAB from scratch, there’s a whole host of sheet and online music that will be out of bounds for them, and some groups are not very interested in guitarists who can’t read, at least, some sort of sheet music.

There is only one response to this extremely bad news -- denied!

Funn Dave
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Funn Dave

Tabs are so intuitive, though--do we really need a game to show us how to use them? Just go online, find tabs for an easy-sounding song, and work your way through them. Hell, some argue that learning tabs discourages people from learning how to actually read music anyway, and that their songwriting suffers as a result.

Ian
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Don’t get me wrong, I already know TAB. I can’t make the conversion from the Rocksmith note highway to TAB (unless I slowed it down and had wrote every note, that it) is one of my bugbears. The other is, unless you get really good in master mode, it’s damn hard to remember how these songs go outside play.

Ian
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^Typo: ‘had wrote’ should be, ‘hand wrote.’

eman
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eman

Well, isn’t that because RS way is so easier for sight-reading and you don’t need to memorize it? I for one think this makes learning playing guitar more effective as I can spend more time on HOW to play and not WHAT to play.

Rockout
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Rockout

Tried bandfuse, returned it due to horrible ui, lack of enjoyment, and let’s face it, even a pro can’t sight read scrolling tabs at a moderate speed. Was a terrible system to use.

Anyone who says “scrolling tabs are so much more professional” fails to realize that tabs were never considered the right way to learn a song, they were always considered amateur.

The sound engine was amazing, and the master tracks were a vast provement over rocksmiths, but it was poorly put together, and I found myself playing through everything until it was burned into my memory. At that point the game isn’t even useful. It just kept track of errors to see after the song was over.

The note highway, riff repeater, and technique games are so vastly better than what bandfuse was selling, that the games aren’t even comparable.

As much as I would like to see a competing product to keep them competitive, bandfuse wasn’t even competition. It name dropped enough celebrities to get people to buy, and their inclusion was entirely time wasted.

Note 4 note tabs were completely different from expert level with no reason, and no way to work up to, lick lab was broken and even without being broken was inferior to riff repeater, and required way too much dicking around just to get to from the song.

Sorry to bandfuse fans, but scrolling tabs will never work as bandfuse wanted them to. Get used to the note highway, or use guitar pro for tabs. Both are vastly better.

Ian
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I’m so pleased for you. *Pats Rockout on the back* I’m so happy for people who really get what they want -- you must be so proud! 😉

Kenny
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Kenny

I am far from a pro but I have found with time I am able to read the scrolling tab now. But that’s just it, I put the time in, I didn’t wimp out and quit after a few hours.

And there is a reward for the time, I have several Guitar Play Along DVD’s, the ones with tab at the bottom. After over two years of Rocksmith I was never able to play along with them. I even bought slow down software for them and still didn’t have much luck. But last week I put one in and to my amazement I was able to play along to several of the songs. Thanks to putting the time into Bandfuse. So my point is the scrolling tab doesn’t fail, it is you who fail because you were to lazy to put the time in.

Dyseman
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Dyseman

Tabs are for reference. No PRO can sight read a lot of lead riffs, or even chords while scrolling. That’s where practice and repetition come in.

Nobody can read 6 lines for chords coming out all crazy. Again, it’s for reference. Guitar players have been using visual tabs and tab sheets for decade after decade. How Jimmi Hendrix, Frampton and Slash ever learned without Rocksmith, nobody will ever know… I mean, they used sheetmusic… bleh! And only a prodigy could even site read some VH solos.

/sarcasm off

Dyseman
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Dyseman

I am still a big fan of bandfuse and will await some kind of comeback… of any kind.

The comment above was in response to people hating on tabs. I have had better retention using tabs than a graphic coming at you. Yes, a graphic zinging at you is great for visual learning, but retention wasn’t there.

Rockout
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Rockout

I didn’t say no one could play using tabs or bandfuse. I said no one can sight read even a moderate tempo in the scrolling method bandfuse used.

As far as memory retention goes, that’s your method. A lot of people don’t memorize tabs. They memorize the rhythm, and scales. Memorizing songs by individual notes is a lot of unnecessary memorization.

I’m not hating on tabs. I also said Guitar Pro is a better alternative if you read my whole post. It uses the same scrolling tab basis, but you can see the entire thing at once, rewind to wherever you want (instead of one of 8 spots in 5 minute+ song), etc.

I reiterate my main complaint against the game. I had to actually memorize every section before playing the whole song, at which point I’m no longer playing the game, it’s just notating that I screwed up once or twice while I watch a music video.

You’re entitled to your opinion on Bandfuse. I stated why I thought it was garbage, and your sarcasm wasn’t necessary. The game failing miserably is more than enough assurance that many people shared my opinion.

Also, anyone who knows a scale can probably sight read a Van Halen solo, since it’s almost as predictable as an AC/DC solo.

Dyseman
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Dyseman

Well, I hope something happens to bring it back. Yeah, I like BF, RS, RS2014… hell Even guitarbots and rock prodigy. I’m sucked in.

But I have to admit, Bandfuse had a SUPER rocky start. Months at a time w/o any PR. Delays after Delays. I said this back in Feb 2013 on their facebook that they chose a small NINTENDO dominate company “Realta” w/o any major releases to do their production w/Harmonix as a super-sub-sub-sub-minor role partner. (Hell, I thought they’d get licensing all over the place).

So a “Should have been” game that was “Mismanaged” from the start, “made by musicians for musicians” dream down the toilet.

mozzy
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mozzy

looks like Seth Chapla backed the wrong horse

Jed
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Jed

As a silver lining, this could hopefully mean a return for Jules in Rocksmith 🙂

chris
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chris

Why is Jeff still tweeting about the game when he said I’m done the other day? I would love to know this whole story its gotta be good

Bat Wings
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Bat Wings

how about fixing the Lick Lab

😯

raynebc
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raynebc

If they’re not in a position to release DLC that they already made, they sure aren’t going to finish getting a patch through the review process and pay the money that entails. Hopefully Bandfuse bounces back from this snag and DLC and patches resume.

Jameson
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Jameson

Sometimes there is no bouncing back from an inferior product…Rocksmith ftw! Scrolling tablature was a joke from the beginning. Hardly anybody is going to go from Rock Band to Bandfuse. Rocksmith is much easier to make that transfer. TABS are everywhere on the net for free. I’m just sad that I let the jimi hendrix dlc sucker me into purchasing the stupid game.

Bat Wings
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Bat Wings

Spoken like a True Fan Boy..

Rob
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Rob

What’s wrong with the lick lab?

harry
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harry

right when i buy this game there merging with rocksmith shame this game has a much more realistic way of playing and learning

compare cult of personality from each game see which is more realistic plus the note charting is very different between games bandfuse all tabs for the distortion solo rocksmith cuts 2 parts out and lives on the 20-22nd fret which is not how the solo is charted. Rocksmith good song not a way to learn guitar also fun game. Bandfuse rip 2nd best way to learning guitar music videos instead of harmonix bars and amps for a backround. anyone who was around when guitar hero merged with harmonix and saw guitar hero self destruct should expect the same for this old dead washed up 1 hit wonder songs and probably bring back the plastic guiar

Michael Tipper
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Michael Tipper

A real shame. Hendrix and backing tracks without guitar would have been a real selling point for me. It’s a shame it never came out in Europe.

Rob
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Rob

Sad news indeed. My experience with Bandfuse evolved as I got used to it. At first I hated it, and was lost trying to play along. Once I go used to reading it, things got better. I found that for whatever reason I was really driven to focus on one song and get it right. It’s also amazing to “duck” the guitar from the track and hear yourself carrying the tune. Sometimes I would stop and was shocked to not hear anything -- I couldn’t believe that my playing blended in so well. Very satisfying -- Why can’t RS do this -- This is a major selling point and makes BF very satisfying to play. I also find that BF just makes your guitar sound better than RS, but who knows. I’m sad because there will be no more Social D/Mike Ness. I was looking forward to having a bunch of Mike’s song to play along with -- especially with the Ducking. Much cooler than just playing over the songs. If only the Bandfuse team could have partnered with a solid publisher. I mean, It’s Realta itself that shut down right? It was probably Realta that came up the dubious “Legends” scheme as well. Having a bunch endorsements from major artists, and then claiming they would interactively teach your rock journey sounds like a way to get funding for the project from investors who have no clue. When I was watching the clips I felt like I was back in the early 90’s with the advent cd-rom and “multimedia” PC. Everything was video clip based. I also imagine that big chunk of money was spent on these endorsements. Money wasted, and money that would be hard to earn back without the support of a big publisher.

ROCKWARRIOR86
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bandfuse always looked really complicated but someone that only plays bandfuse would say the same thing about rocksmith

Floder
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Floder

Meanwhile
Rocksmith 2014 had a 3/5 pack DLC EVERY WEEK and the game is considerated like a reference tool for learning guitar
Crazy.

New Wave Fan
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New Wave Fan

RS definitely wins in the quantity department, but Bandfuse has Jimi Hendrix, better note detection, better sound, colored tabbing for proper finger placement (really love this feature), and uses the multi-track stems for note-for-note tab accuracy.

I like Bandfuse better, but RS is a great game, too.

kynan
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kynan

My biggest pet peeve about this game is the lack of a “restart song” button/option.

Funn Dave
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Funn Dave

Bummer. I had a feeling it was coming, though. Personally, I think a lot of it comes down to sightreading tabs just not being feasible for beginning guitarists. It might have been easier with Rocksmith’s level-up-as-you-play approach, but as it, it’s a lot of great potential gone potentially to waste. I hope that, like Rocksmith, they get the chance to turn a promising but flawed first effort into a polished and playable second try.

Funn Dave
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Funn Dave

Forgot to mention, I like Bandfuse’s polyphonic tuning and audio recognition quite a bit & I hope it continues to be used in the future.

Funn Dave
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Funn Dave

Also I liked that Bandfuse had something resembling a tour mode, even if it wasn’t as good as it could have been. It gives a sense of guidance that I think Rocksmith lacks.

chris
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chris

Sounds like the whole creative team got canned so much for hope. I guess chance of seeing any dlc or updates in next few months is zero just hope it makes a comeback at some point in the future

Phooey
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Phooey

I bet anything the massive delay in release is what killed them.

Deon101
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Deon101

I’m actually really upset because I JUST started getting into this game. I stated with RS, lime everyone else, then RS14. I never really liked the setlist, being a lot of rock and classic rock.

Then BF came out and I bought that just to have both. At first I didn’t like it… It looked like it was made by amatures as a game. The lessons were horrible and the advice was horrible… Then I couldn’t pick it up and play it on the fly.

That’s when it hit me, this wasn’t a game. These are transcriptions meant to be learned like real tabs. The problem with RS is that I could never remember a song outside of playing it in RS. BF makes you remember the songs and engraves it in your head… Plus I love metal and when I saw that they have CoB, Megadeth, Pantera, and Testament I knew that they were liable to get even greater metal acts/songs.

…. Then they left me…

dave
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dave

Come on Deon -- RS does have a master mode that has notes disappear forcing you to remember songs.

RS has megadeth, judas priest and others.

Deon101
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Deon101

It still guides you through with hand placement cues… Now I’m not talking down on RS but it’s just my experience with it, I’ve been playing it since the first.

And as far as the setlist goes I was talking in game, although RS did have Cemetery Gates… mmmm. Anyway, my point is that the most difficult songs on RS are more on the rock side of the spectrum, and that’s cool. The end of BF setlist was pretty much dominated in metal lol.

At the end of the day I started learning guitar through tablature so it’s easier, for me, to study. In RS I usually crank the difficulty all the way up in RR so that I can learn the song properly so it’s kind of the same thing. I just prefer to look at tablature, even though BF does look a little out of date. That’s just my op

dave
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dave

Understand. I’m a long time tab guy, and still use sites like songster.

ginrog
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ginrog

Hand placement cues are in both games. In Bandfuse they use colors for fingers. I don’t understand how letting someone learn proper technique is a strike against either game.

ginrog
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ginrog

Oh, oops. During master mode you mean…

eman
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eman

It’s a point of view I guess. I don’t understand why memorizing a song is better then focusing on learning guitar. Or why the hell should I memorize something I’m not even able to play yet. On related note I can’t imagine how can I improve my song performance if I can’t hear the nuances of the original (because it was cut from the song).

At least for me RS approach is better, I want to get better at playing guitar and get better feeling for differences in timing and phrasing, I want to hear myself matching the backing track.

Also it is a big advantage that RS can put out more DLCs because they don’t need master tracks, I’m not really a target audience for BandFuse track list.

All BandFuse mistakes, “mismanagement”, even missing PC support aside, maybe RS just got it right…

Degz
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Degz

Like a lot of people I’ve been patiently waiting for a UK release, hopefully it will still happen.

I Dont think this can be for financial reasons after all they have enough money to sponsor the experience Hendrix tour in the US. This has to be due to some form of litigation threat.

Glob
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Glob

I’ve never been a fan of Bandfuse. The UI is unintuitive, the lessons and legends were near useless, and it oozed too much of hard rock and heavy metal in every last inch of the game. I found this last point very off-putting and too niche for the general population. Additionally, the scrolling tablature format, while more useful for reading online tabs in the long run, is tediously difficult to learn or read on the fly. On the other hand, Rocksmith 2014 has a very clean and easy to understand UI, excellent lessons, and a very straightforward approach to learning the guitar.

All things said, I am a bit sad to hear that Bandfuse may be collapsing. Competition breeds innovation, and with Bandfuse out of the way, I worry that Rocksmith may begin to slump.

Bick
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Bick

Bummer! Is there a band in the UK named Bandfuse?? Hopefully Jimi comes to RS now, though.

sean
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sean

there was a band called rocksmith in uk which seriosly postponed the origial rocksmith…

Squat human
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Squat human

The game is actually pretty fun when you get used to tabs. Rocksmith is cool because it gives you a good idea where to move your fret hand but after you learn that, bandfuse in my opinion is better. You can learn a lot more a tools and it’s groovier. Come on they got Hendrix! Everybody buy it! This news makes me wanna throw up! Buy Bye

bob
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bob

Well, I guess I can stop hoping for a PC version now.

WonderWaage
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WonderWaage

I’m always sad when a rhythm game dies.

Thank God it’s the inferior game.

New Wave Fan
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New Wave Fan

From the way the facebook post is worded, it honestly sounds less like a financial problem (though that might be part of it), and more like a legal issue they’ve run into. We all know licensing is hard (TM).

Kenny
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Kenny

I was somewhat wondering that myself. One of the members made a comment “we cannot legally discuss what is going on because of any possible court proceedings”. Which seemed a little odd.

stephane
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stephane

I am sad for the People that like Bf. But, to my opinion, I think Rocksmith is better. I have been playing RS since it’s begining and bought BF when it came out, I dont have the “feel” when I play with Bf.
I home everything will settle for good thing for Realta, it’s never happy when a company have to cut or close operations.

Bob
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Bob

I hoped Bandfuse would get a second chance…..
RS wasn’t a killergame at first strike at all.
Poor guys .. that must feel bad.

RampantCoyote
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Bummer. It sounded like it had promise, and if it had been for the PC I’d have been more tempted. I was looking forward to seeing what the sequel could do -- if it was as big a leap as Rocksmith was. Sounds like that’s unlikely now.

Macbeth
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Macbeth

I have to say that this isn’t a surprise. The people imvolved with this game have handled it poorly from the beginning. I am glad I finally bought it even though I paid full price and now it seems I may have been able to pick it up really cheap. I would never have bought dlc for the game but it is good for 2 things really and that is all it is good for the tab practice and the tone is far better than RS. The game itself is pretty bad and man though legend “lessons” are so bad I can’t believe they actually paid for them!! Too many broken promises and not enough delivered…

Funn Dave
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Funn Dave

Yeah, those videos are pretty awful.

Bat Wings
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Bat Wings

fix the Lick Lab 4 fuck sake

johnnymac
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johnnymac

RS could acquire them for their sound engine…which I have read is more accurate…
Or, Harmonix could also buy them and add it to RB, but I don’t think there will ever be another RB…

I know for me, I almost never played it as it wasn’t easy for me to transition between the 2 games. I wanted BF to use colored strings, like RS…it should have been easy for folks to buy both. As it is now, I am ok with only RS as there is a lot to learn and I am still a beginner…

Bummer for the team, hope they can get other positions.

Funn Dave
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Funn Dave

That would be great. Their sound engine is the best part.

chris
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chris

Back to online tabs after this news. Im done with rocksmith it got old and now bandfuse is done after 4 months. Bandfuse had so much promise compared to Ubisoft and their bloated crapware

pep
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pep

good one

me
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me

Is it?

d00d
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d00d

pretty much

ClassicRocker87
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ClassicRocker87

Well that sucks. I just bought the game last week during Gamestop’s $30 sale. *sigh*

The jury’s still out for me for sure, but I like Rocksmith more (now at least, without having explored all the features). I think I’ll still like RS more even after, but I was enjoying the different styles and looking forward to more DLC that is different from that of RS.

Funn Dave
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Funn Dave

Wow….I wonder if Gamestop knew it was on its way out. It’d be pretty low for them to try to move the product before the news got out, but I wouldn’t put it past them for a second.

Mike
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Mike

Yay we win!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

dave
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dave

No “we” don’t. Having two major programs out there made both sides work harder to come out with the best game possible, as well invest back in better DLC.

I don’t think the RS team will slack off, but having two teams of lawyers signing up bands was best for everyone.

David Lane
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David Lane

Feel no sympathy for this terrible video game. It’s death is deserved and necessary. As a species we have grown to deserve a higher quality of edutainment. For software like Bandfuse to even exist is a smear not just on mankind, but the concept of life in general.

The people who made this video game just weren’t cut out for the job. It is best for them to return to their homes and report to their families “we failed”. It is only through this acknowledgment that they can help to improve in the future. The world exists because the Bandfuses of this world fall by the wayside and are left for the ants.

Celebrate this death.

raynebc
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raynebc

Nice trolling there.

David Lane
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David Lane

Nice generic, meaningless response there.

The game is objectively bad. It will not be missed. Pew should celebrate the market punishing the makers of bad products.

raynebc
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raynebc

I don’t consider your foaming at the mouth level of hatred to be meaningful and since it doesn’t seem justified, it seemed obvious you were trolling. Nice job keeping the act going though.

me
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me

Well it is sort of justified to he honest.

The game does suck. Shame they weren’t around when RS1 came out. They may have stood a chance.

Funn Dave
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Funn Dave

Maybe your trolling wouldn’t be so apparent if you actually said what you didn’t like about the game.

Osteofight
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Osteofight

Hey someone said what I was thinking!

erik
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erik

I was patiently hoping that there would some day be a release for PC. Guess this news squashes that. The tab format was the biggest feature I was hoping to experiment with, but overall, it just never looked any where near as good as RS. I also thought that competition was good for both games. Hopefully this news doesn’t scare away other artists from releasing their music for ‘games’.

But my biggest question and first thought when I heard ….. Does this open the door for RS getting Hendrix? Or does it make it more difficult and unlikely?

Hone McBone
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Hone McBone

As crappy as it is for the guys who worked/are working on BandFuse I had the same thought, hopefully we’ll see the exclusives come across to Rocksmith.